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Michael Mann is the creator of the discredited 'hocky stick graph' that was included in IPCC reports.

As the contents of a hacked climate change unit’s server in Britain were exposed on the Internet Friday, the event had some of the scientists involved scrambling to explain their emails and skeptics believing they had found a smoking gun. On the surface, the emails seem to indicate scientists modified data to fit the anthropogenic global warming theory, tried to silence dissenting opinions and reflect a concerted effort to restrict access to climate data possibly by deleting it.

The emails and documents were illegally obtained from a server at Britain’s Climate Research Unit, University of East Anglia and then posted to a Russian server. From there, the file and its contents spread like wildfire across the Internet. Inside are over 1,000 emails and dozens of documents that detail private correspondence among some of the world’s top climate scientists.

A spokesman for the university said, “We are aware that information from a server used for research information in one area of the university has been made available on public websites.” Law enforcement is involved and is trying to track down the person responsible for leaking the emails. Speculation is high that it was an ‘inside job’ as the contents were all targeted toward the science and debate about manmade climate change.

Skeptics of the manmade climate change theory quickly poured over the messages and pointed to what the Australian Herald-Sun called “a scandal that is one of the greatest in modern science.” The emails point to a number of questionable actions by the scientists including the modification of data, destruction of data and evidence, collusion, admissions of errors in data and resistance to having their analysis scrutinized by outsiders.

Emails from Phil Jones, director of the Climate Research Unit, are arguably the most controversial. In multiple messages the director discusses his resistance to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests even alluding to destroying data rather than sharing it. In one message he says, “I think I’ll delete the file rather than send to anyone.” Jones apparently considered ways to stymie or limit FOIA requests by “removing station data” and “omit some other countries” because “it would annoy them [those requesting the data].”

Jones also exhorts his colleagues to delete email discussions saying in an email to Michael Mann, “Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment - minor family crisis. Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.”

The scientists also apparently struggled to account for the cooling the earth has seen over the last 10 years. One scientist, Mick Kelly, discussed giving a presentation and rather than include the cooling he said, “I’ll maybe cut the last few points off the filtered curve before I give the talk again as that’s trending down as a result of the end effects and the recent cold-ish years.”

Kevin Trenberth, a scientist with the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), was particularly frustrated by computer models that failed to predict the cooling. He said, “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.”

The group was also did not approve of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) and its choices allowing opposing views to be heard. The group’s trade publication, Geophysical Research Letters (GRL) was targeted by Michael Mann as he wrote, “I’m not sure that GRL can be seen as an honest broker in these debates anymore.” He however acknowledged the publications importance saying, “We can’t afford to lose GRL.”

Mann seemed particularly concerned about ‘contrarian’ with the name Saiers, presumably James Saiers of the Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies. “Apparently, the contrarians now have an “in” with GRL. This guy Saiers has a prior connection w/ the University of Virginia Dept. of Environmental Sciences [where Saiers completed his PhD] that causes m some unease,” Mann wrote.

Tom Wigley, a senior scientist in the Climate and Global Dynamics Division at NCAR, felt though that they could deal with Saiers by getting him removed from the AGU. “If you think that Saiers is in the greenhouse skeptics camp, then, if we can find documentary evidence of this, we could go through official AGU channels to get him ousted.”

Some have questioned the authenticity of the emails and documents with the university saying, “Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm that all of this material is genuine.” Realclimate.org, a website that oftentimes serves as a publicist for many of the scientists, said the messages were ‘possibly edited’ but was unable to cite any examples where that may have occurred.

None of the scientists whose emails were exposed have disputed the contents within the archive. Jones, did not dispute the authenticity of the messages in an interview with TGIF Edition. Kevin Trenberth told Wired that “the email is genuine.” Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University said, "I'm not going to comment on the content of illegally obtained e-mails." Considering the incendiary nature of the emails one would expect the principles involved would have pointed out any messages that were illegitimate.

The discussion about climate change is at a fevered pitch and these emails and documents will likely damage the cause of those seeking to advance the manmade climate change theory. Those who doubt the theory have had great success this year in getting their voices heard and have been able to demonstrate that the ‘consensus’ in the scientific community on climate change is anything but.

The timing of their release is fortuitous for the skeptics as the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen is set to begin next month. Hopes for a treaty from the conference had already been dashed with the UN willing to settle for a ‘political agreement’ rather than a binding agreement.

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# Guest 2009-11-21 03:24
and the walls come a tumbling down, gore the whore must be livid
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# Guest 2009-12-12 13:29
Climate Scientist, like politicians, can't be trusted.

In the socialist mind, the end justifies the means. They will lie, cheat and steal to achieve their socialst agenda.

Socialist killed 300,000,000 people in the last century. Quasi-free market capitalism lifted 300 million from poverty. You choose.
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# Guest 2009-11-21 06:03
Initial reviews of the hacked files reveal world-renowned climate scientists conspiring to manipulate computer climate modeling data, terminology and research reports to promote the critical global warming theory that manmade greenhouse gases are warming the planet. While the files are still under investigation, the U.K. Telegraph reports that Hadley scientists and their outside collaborators in global climate studies communicated to bias important climate reports by:
• Manipulation of scientific data;
• Concealing private doubts about global warming;
• Suppression of evidence;
• Contemplating revenge against prominent climate skeptics;
• Attempting to disguise the pre-industrial Medieval Warm Period;
• Scheming to marginalize dissenting scientists out of the peer review process.

Stay tuned. This may be just the tip of the iceberg exposing the biggest scientific and political fraud in the history of mankind.
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# Guest 2009-11-21 08:04
Japp there we go. i hope thell finally understand whats going on... the public that is....
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# Guest 2009-11-22 14:22
All of these "prominent" scientists should be immediately placed on administrative leave and locked out of the premises and their computers, and a special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate for possible criminal activity.
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# Guest 2009-11-22 14:29
One other item should be added. The admitted conduct by these "prominent" scientists may well subject them to personal liability to all the people wrongfully fired and/or who had their careers ruined. This would appear to be unprivileged, tortuous conduct where the judge or jury may award punitive damages.
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# Guest 2009-11-23 05:20
Makes you wonder what other subject matters were being lied to about and who's really working for who. Isn't it ironic how the ones who wrote the emails are complaining it was illegal to steal them yet it was ok to to lie on reports just secure future funding and facilitate future laws that will make them wealthy and place the world under the control of the new world order elitist who are obviously the ones who paid them to lie in the first place. Poor Al Gore is probably turning green for real as the realization of his socialist empire starts to crumble right before his very eyes.
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# Guest 2009-11-23 07:30
Okay, here is my hokey shtick hypothesis:

The global warmists will be defeated and 'new science' will prove that an ice age is on its way UNLESS:

- we drastically reduce our fossil fuels consumption
- we replace our carbonated footprint with a green thumbprint
- we do whatever it takes to prevent our cows from farting
- we move out of suburban sprawls and into well-planned high-density dwellings
- we ban the DDT, again
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# Guest 2009-11-23 09:41
I agree Arth - We are in the beginning of the next ice age. In the end everything belongs to mother earth and she always reclaims what belongs to her including you and I and no-one really owned anything in the first place. If the global warmest want to be next to something warm they should build their homes on top of the yellowstone caldera, then again these global warmest seem to be a little on the paraniod side and most likely run in the face of real danger.
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# Guest 2009-11-24 18:45
unfortunately this will go by the wayside and the greenies will march on
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# Guest 2009-11-27 07:04
What really makes me mad here are the same elitist, we are better then you because... (fill in the blank)........clowns who poniticate about the evils of climate change whenever somebody tries to improve the life of the poor African women ruining her lungs cooking on a smokey cow dung fire by supplying her with a simple cook stove, or Tata Motors in India coming out with the ultra cheap car called the Nano so the average working Indian can drive to work, or transport his family instead of having to walk. These people do not have the right to improve their lives while AlGore travels the world in his private jet, lives in a home that uses enough energy to power tthe needs of a thousand of those poor women in Africa
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# Guest 2009-11-27 18:10
I've been saying for years that all one must do to realize this is garbage is take an entry level geology course. Mother Earth is pretty good about taking care of herself. The talk of greenhouse gases made me laugh. Don'cha think dinosaur dung and all the associated methane would have long since decimated the earth if she was THAT fragile?

Not saying we can't be good stewards - just that we shouldn't listen to every "scientist" or politician trying to make a buck or a name for himself. Of course maybe common sense is mostly common in the "flyover" states - not the elitist coastal areas. Who knows?
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# Guest 2009-11-28 15:33
The EPA in the USA, does not make decisions based on "facts" but rather on their "findings", so stand by and bend over, here it comes again, (acronym BOHICA), There will be no escape from the progressives. Al Gore will continue to travel in his private jet. The scientists will catch the hacker and prosecute him then will be allowed to "supress" the evidence that they are LIARS. Obama will sign the UN treaty for our CO2 footprint, thus committing the taxpayers AND ANYBODY who drives a car to be subjected to taxes and fines by the EPA. As the true Communist that Obama is he will, with that UN treaty, subject all of America to the one government New World Order called for in that UN treaty.You voted for "CHANGE" last November, and boy, oh boy, did you get it. My God, what were you thinking?
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# Guest 2009-11-30 12:49
The lot of them, Al Gore included, should be arrested and charged with international fraud. Period. No messing about.
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# lisa berk 2010-01-25 21:39
conspiracy theorists do have some vital info!!!!! Check out fema and all the coffin liners and millions of body bags they ordered or the illuminatti or the global elite or population control or biological warfare............. the list goes on and on and on............. oh dont forget the haarp plant in alaska there are 2 i saw them on google earth! people wake up the signs are all there
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# Guest 2009-12-01 08:29
I have difficulty grasping how they could be puzzled that the temperature went down. Surely, they can't think that 150ppm of Co2 trumps natural variability. They can't honestly think that mankind has superseded nature entirely! I can understanding arguing that Co2 can exaggerate warmth and suppress cold, but isn't it logical that unless we really understand natural variability, how can we know if man-made warming agents are good or bad?
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# Guest 2009-12-03 07:09
Interesting. On a google search to find the "actual" emails, as opposed to summaries of them by yabbering wanks anxious to use them to forward their argument, I came across this website. I clicked on it to read the AGW deniers' side of the argument, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the article didn't misrepresent anything, and other than the quote from the Australian press, was quite a moderate and considered piece. That doesn't seem to stop the posters on this thread from trumpeting it as some sort of indictment of the UEA researchers (and all climate scientists that don't oppose the AGW consensus). I think, overall, that it seems like the UEA folks were trying to make sense of their data while not supplying AGW deniers with any ammunition. Not an unreasonable approach if you ask me.
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# Guest 2009-12-03 07:36
A lot of that has to do with Tony Hake's (the article's author) ability to showcase both sides of an issue without resorting to name-calling and bullying. He's one of my favorite writers.
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# Guest 2009-12-04 11:53
Those wanting to browse or search the original emails can do so here:

www.eastangliaemails.com/index.php
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# Guest 2009-12-04 12:13
Quoting John Dixon:
Interesting. On a google search to find the "actual" emails, as opposed to summaries of them by yabbering wanks anxious to use them to forward their argument, I came across this website. I clicked on it to read the AGW deniers' side of the argument, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the article didn't misrepresent anything, and other than the quote from the Australian press, was quite a moderate and considered piece. That doesn't seem to stop the posters on this thread from trumpeting it as some sort of indictment of the UEA researchers (and all climate scientists that don't oppose the AGW consensus). I think, overall, that it seems like the UEA folks were trying to make sense of their data while not supplying AGW deniers with any ammunition. Not an unreasonable approach if you ask me.

I'm always happy to see the skeptical side behaving proper. As a skeptic myself, it makes arguing with alarmists much more civil.
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# Guest 2009-12-10 01:37
Just..out of sheer curiosity (OK, really to play the Devil's Advocate here and pull out info, since I'm neither a climatologist nor computer expert) what is your response to THIS, from Sharon Begely.

Seems her argument is that the emails in the first place contained nothing damning other than the very real and difficult/tedious work of REAL climate scientists, who got quite understandably frustrated with the dumbbunny denialist crowd, and some email correspondence detailing said frustration.

Many of us would sooner not have some emails revealed and aired out in broad daylight, no?

About the same line of thinking, it seems (though they no longer allow new registrations for comments) showed up on Little Green Footballs, which in turn references an article in New Scientist.

Some excepts from NS:

"Forget about the temperature records compiled by researchers such as those whose emails were hacked. Next spring, go out into your garden or the nearby countryside and note when the leaves unfold, when flowers bloom, when migrating birds arrive and so on. Compare your findings with historical records, where available, and you'll probably find spring is coming days, even weeks earlier than a few decades ago.


You can't fake spring coming earlier, or trees growing higher up on mountains, or glaciers retreating for kilometres up valleys, or shrinking ice cover in the Arctic, or birds changing their migration times, or permafrost melting in Alaska, or the tropics expanding, or ice shelves on the Antarctic peninsula breaking up, or peak river flow occurring earlier in summer because of earlier snowmelt, or sea level rising faster and faster, or any of the thousands of similar examples.

Please read the full context of the articles, as they go over the faux outrage and legal issues surrounding FOI requests that were really harassments, as well as the explanation of the "tricked" out data.
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# Guest 2009-12-10 01:38
Oops. the links didn't work.

Well check out LGF on this and follow the bouncing threadlines...
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# Guest 2009-12-15 09:37
You would have thought that the main stream media would have gone bananas with this revelation. They were more concerned about Tiger Woods’ infidelity than the lies and dammed lies of these scientists on the Al Gore payroll. With few exceptions the media is firmly rusted on to the socialist left.
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# Guest 2009-12-16 23:42
If only the dumbed down collectivist foot soldiers (AGW environmentalists) would examine their own ideology. History shows that when you create an autocratic system of government you always end up with brutal dictators, from Hitler"s "National Socialism (NAZI)" to Stalin and Mao's Communism (Global Socialism). The AGW Alarmist Lobby is a collectivist's wet dream, it's reson detre is to terrorise the public into begging big government to save us all from their fabricated boogyman... AGW. Classic Hegelian tactic of invented problem (AGW) - reaction (please save us from destruction) - solution (carbon rationing, carbon taxing, global governance, complete control). Governments (left and right) and the financial elites that they work for always use fear to control and disempower the populace. A lot of good people get caught up in the lie, unfortuneately if the elites achieve their aim of a one world government their will be no democracy, nowhere to hide and our overlords wont have the benevolence of the Dalai Lama.
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# Guest 2009-12-19 12:15
Global warming is all I hear
If I ever get the chance
I'll put my carbon footprint
On the seat of Al Gore's pants
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# Guest 2009-12-23 16:36
Thank you, AGW is a fraud and amadcow.org/?p=257 the climategate emails prove it. This is their religion, and it is anti-capitalist, as was Soviet Communism, Nazi-ism, and Mao-ism.
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