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Yikes. Someone got the talking points. Can you say, “Peer reviewed studies?” Methinks those leaked emails that pretty much show Global Warming is … what’s the best way to put it?… the big fat freakin’ lie we all knew it was, has stirred our friend Ed up some.

You know what he sounds like? Someone who believes the Earth is 6,000 years old trying to explain away a dinosaur fossil.

Oh, that old time religion…

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# Guest 2009-11-25 04:51
Ed Begley demands peer review.

OK.

I am a peer and I hereby pronounce "man made climate change" an abject fraud.

I also accuse Trenberth, Jones, Mann, and Briffa of willfully deceiveing people about things they knew to be false and promoted them to be true, and then trying to cover it up. I also accuse these people of willfully trying to prevent people who disagreed with them from publishing dissenting views with publishers that previously published pro AGW studies.

No one should put any belief in human-related climate change. Absolutely none, it is a fraud based on bugus and completely junk science. The people from the Hadley Centre in England have demonstrated that to the world more completely than my words ever could
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# Guest 2009-11-25 19:39
If the Climate Change Fraud lobby needed an enemy, this "eedjit" does a grand job. What a pratt. He is incapable of listening and obviously a mathematical ignoramus or is that ignor****?
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# Guest 2009-11-26 10:05
Whatever you say Richard, that's right, okay, fine. Are you embarrassed to identify yourself completely?

Why?

Or are you simply content to be renown as Richard, the blogger who calls people "eejits"?
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# Guest 2009-11-25 07:40
couldnt agree more

but still, even if global warming is a big scam (which it is) its still nice to make a cleaner environment. I dont think anybody would want to live in a city which smells of diesel.
If we want to buy 120W tungsten bulbs, we can. If we want to burn wood, we can. I have always done, i have known global warming was a load of nonsense from the begining - but i still do my part in saving energy because oil will not last for ever :-)
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# Guest 2009-11-25 13:49
Moderator, can we get rid of sales crud here?
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# Guest 2009-11-27 04:11
Done. Please send me an email when you find it. I try to go through comments to weed the spam out but I need my reader's help. It's either that or a moderated system which I don't want to do!
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# Guest 2009-11-25 15:03
can anybody tell me what a "trick" is in "science"? maybe it's only used in junk science!
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# Guest 2009-11-25 15:18
A "trick" is a woman paid to do something that one assumes she will keep her mouth shut about.

A "trick" is also something that All-Star Climate Fraud Phil Jones uses to commit bunco that he assumes other people will keep their mouths shut about.
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# Guest 2009-11-26 08:27
The foaming, ranting Ed Begley Jr is a commie nut intent on cramming eco-worship down everyones throat, the latest back door to collectivist tyranny. California has cleaner air because they have run industry out. He is welcome to live in his eco-utopia but has no right to force it on everyone else using guns of government. "The commons" is what he says it is. Peer review?? What a joke. It is the entrenched interests that OWN peer reviewed journals and academia and the entrenched interests want to chain people with this global warming scam so they can control them and their property. So we are not allowed to do own own research, decide what experts and yes, even-gasp-weathermen-we want to listen to?? A physicist isn't good enough, certainly not smart enough to grasp the intricasies of global warming (although actor Ed is convinced HE has)??? Sorry, I'll get my info whereever I want. I no longer subscribe to the government school indoctrination that all knowledge be compartmentalized and is only available to "experts" in whatever field. Buckminster Fuller had an interesting view on that. He contended that the brightest among us are groomed to advance in highly specialized fields of study and because they are so specialized they accept other specialists at face value, thinking that those specialists couldn't know/do what we do in our fields of specialty so we couldn't understand theirs. This leads to a de-fusing of very bright people among the population, a way of keeping them from questioning or trying to understand and connect the dots. The very bright are then "managed" by the "not as bright". Begley is saying that only these highly specialized "climate experts", who would certainly be much easier to control and manipulate are competent to decide whether global warming really exists. This is utter nonsense, the equivalent of saying "don't look behind that curtain and believe what makes sense, listen only to the Great and powerful Oz". Wonder what Begley thinks of Eric Hoffer, Thomas Jefferson, self-taught actors, and the like. My list of actors I will pay to watch or can stomach continues to shrink.
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# Guest 2009-11-26 10:01
Begley doesn't place much faith in "physicists" - so he thereby (and correctly) discounts Jim Hansen
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# Guest 2009-11-26 13:42
Thanksgiving Day Invitation to the Climate Change Skeptics


All the data and what models exist seem to indicate that we have reached a peak in oil production and a long steady decline is ahead of us.

This chronic oil depletion crisis happens to be occurring in parallel with climate change awareness, although peak oil has gotten much less publicity. This is serious stuff, yet the government barely acknowledges its significance because it has serious ramifications on the economy.

So, unfortunately, much of the public has no awareness of our petroleum predicament, and further, a significant number of people actively question the phenomena of peak oil.

Like it or not, a sizable cross-section climate change skeptics also happen to be oil depletion skeptics. There is no arguing this, as you hear it on radio talk shows constantly and you read about it in opinion pieces such as by George Will and a host of others.

So the challenge to the climate science skeptics who claim to be hot-shot statistics wizards — why don’t you “audit” those of us who post on theoildrum.com and other oil depletion blogs?

We are waiting, all of our data is open, we only discuss matters in open daylight, and we will kick your asses with our skillz. Seriously, we have to change our energy policy and soon. Whether it is due to a crisis in climate change, or due to an inexorable decline in easily accessible petroleum, things will change, like it or not. Here is your chance once more to prove someone wrong. Good luck.

And BTW, whatever data we uncover does not belong to us; oil reserve estimates are usually locked up in some corporate or foreign nation-state vault totally immune to FOIA requests. Double good luck in getting that. You will get to see how the people with the REAL money play hardball.

It looks like you have finished mopping the floor with the climate science crowd, and you should be ready for your next conquest. Yes, we are waiting for you, and we knew this day would come.
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# Guest 2009-12-23 19:17
lol You guys are fun!
Thanks for bringing up the oil reserves issue. You're right that it is rarely discussed. I can understand why, actually. The thought of what would happen to the world if the population had risen 50-100%, no alternate power sources had been developed and implemented and we lost access to sufficient oil and natural gas supplies...it's too horrifying to even consider. Yikes!
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# Guest 2009-11-26 23:58
Ed Begley doesn’t get it, the emails show suppression of peer-reviewed papers!

"I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!" – Phil Jones, Director Climatic Research Unit (CRU)

Somebody might want to let Ed know that even still an extensive amount of skeptical peer-reviewed papers exist,

450 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of “Man-Made” Global Warming

www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

Now if Ed wants to talk to someone with a degree in climatology he can talk to,

Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology, Research Professor of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia, Former State Climatologist for Virginia, Contributing Author and Reviewer, IPCC

I find it hillarious that he insults scientists with degrees in Physics as not qualified…

James Hansen, Ph.D. Physics
Joe Romm, Ph.D. Physics

Way too funny!
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# Guest 2009-12-23 18:43
Hi, guys.
Could you please point me to any articles or papers that the folks you mentioned have written? I'd love to read them and educate myself a bit more on the other side of the debate. Quality dissent and discourse is so hard to find these day, on any topic.
Thanks.
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# Guest 2009-11-27 00:59
Yet another example of an eco-fascist. They are not interested in the issues. Another follower of the new religion. Its a good thing these tards happen to be anti-guns,.......so far
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# Guest 2009-11-27 11:03
They aren't antigun, they just think the government should have them and aim them at who THEY say to. They are the biggest proponents of guns and aggression there are, all the while pretending to be so "peaceful" and "loving". Worship as the eco-Nazis do or else they will MAKE you...for the "commons", the "children", the "poor", the elderly (although Obamacare is promoting the old "end your life with dignity now that you're old" helpfulness). There are no end of "good" utopian schemes they use to excuse looting people and pushing them around.
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# Guest 2009-12-23 19:05
Quoting Not an eco-Nazi:
They aren't antigun, they just think the government should have them and aim them at who THEY say to. They are the biggest proponents of guns and aggression there are, all the while pretending to be so "peaceful" and "loving". Worship as the eco-Nazis do or else they will MAKE you...for the "commons", the "children", the "poor", the elderly (although Obamacare is promoting the old "end your life with dignity now that you're old" helpfulness). There are no end of "good" utopian schemes they use to excuse looting people and pushing them around.


It hurts me to hear that I am so hated for my position on pollution.
I have no problem with citizens having guns. It is a constitutionally protected right and a wise attitude in a democracy. I own one myself.
I have no problem with people doing exactly what they want to do and living exactly as they wish...as long as it doesn't intrude on my, or anyone else's, ability to do the same.
I don't want to kill old people.
I'm not a 'tard'. I'm very aware of the complexity of the issues surrounding green-house gas emissions and I also know how very hard it will be for the world to un-mesh itself from fossil fuels for power production.
I honestly believe that our country has an unprecedented opportunity to lead the entire world in a technological and manufacturing revolution, by focusing enormous attention on the invention and production of non-fossil fuel power generation. Much smaller, less influential, less inovative countries have already done it. Imagine what we could do, with the power and resources of our country and our people behind it!
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# Guest 2009-11-28 06:16
"Scientists" and especially politicians (Mr. Gore and gorons) who botched the Antropogenic Global Warming "theory " shall be sued by American People for deliberate fraud aimed at depriving people of incomes and liberties.

Professor
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# Guest 2009-11-29 04:21
This whole debate started with 'Global Warming' then this was changed to climate change, not anthropogenic climate change. To continue to change names is not Science but bully boy thuggery. Begley proves this. It is destroying science education more effectively than junk religion. The muppets who call themselves 'politicians' all scientifically illeterate assist this scam.
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# Guest 2009-11-30 00:17
The unfortunate part of all of this is that the "peers" only allow people who agree with them into their inner circle. The alleged thousands of scientists who signed on to the UN declaration -- how many of them were climatologists, as Ed declares are the ONLY ones allowed to have an opinion. There are also a lot of computer scientists and mathematicians involved whose mathematical models are the chief "prophesiers" of our ultimate disaster.
Meanwhile, the garbage piles up, the pollution of our water and food continues, 3rd-world countries led by despots cannot produce the food they need because they don't know how......

And the "powers that be" in the name of "science" want to redistribute whatever wealth [?] the West may still have to those who have need [probably the same despots who are screwing their people as I write.].
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# Guest 2009-12-01 06:56
The performance here of Ed Begley, Jr., is an indication of the damage that corruption of our information and its delivery can do to a gullible public. And it is also a preview of what we can expect of those dupes who are so heavily invested in this junk science and the artificial industry that it has spawned - that they will remain in denial and become defensive in order to save face. They are pathetic. So insecure themselves that when the basis for their beliefs is proven to be without substance they cannot pull up their socks and seek the TRUTH. We'll see a lot of these deniers in days and weeks to come. It will be up to us to disregard them and their noise and keep focused on the truth.
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# Guest 2009-12-23 18:36
Hi, all.
I don't think anyone who screams his or her point of view, trying to out "LOUD" the opposition, is contributing anything worthwhile to the conversation. Ed and Stuart are both guilty, here. I'd have liked to have been able to actually hear what each had to say.
I can't lay out the basics of carbon-induced climate change in my 1700 remaining characters, but I will say this: If we release enough of the captured CO2 from an extinct and buried ecosystem back into our atmosphere, eventually our climate, sea levels and ecology will change. No one is arguing with that. The only thing being debated by any scientist is how much we can release before the changes that occur will be severe, and when we will begin to see those changes. Most climatologists, physicists, biologists, oceanographers,geologists, etc., believe that we are already seeing the effects of our actions. Others say what we're seeing is just a natural cycle and not attributable to the burning of fossil fuels. However, any scientist will agree that if we put enough CO2, methane and other "green-house" gasses into the Earths atmosphere, dramatic and catastrophic climate change will occur. If any scientist claims that we can pump as much carbon into the atmosphere as we want and it will not change our climate, then, sadly, he or she is not being honest.
Please take this into consideration as you make your decisions regarding energy consumption, power grid changes and the climate change debate.
Thanks for listening.
I wish you all a wonderful holiday season and New Year. :-)
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# Guest 2009-12-24 10:09
Begley's reaction and rude behavior clearly demonstrate PERFECTLY the tactics of the Left! Identify those who disagree, defame them and shout them down! It is wrong when a US taxpayer raises his voice to their US Senator about a socialist program that they question, but it is perfectly acceptable for a second string HOLLYWOOD Actor to shout down and demean a reporter who asks a legitimate question about a highly disputed "global warming" theory!
Begley is an ACTOR, and activist, not a scientist for God’s sake! What in Mr. Begley's life qualifies him an expert on AGW and Scientific "peer review"? He buys a few solar panels, makes a few "green" changes to his lifestyle, makes some TV commercials and suddenly is qualified to proclaim that AGW is an indisputable fact? Because HE believes strongly in AGW, does not mean that the "theory" is any more than a "theory"! What gives Mr. Begley the right to demand that I open my wallet and private property to government intervention on behalf of a "theory" based on doctored and flawed data? Any "science" based on or containing flawed or doctored data is not scientific fact at all!
Begley speaks of "Peer Review" at the same time he shouts down a voice for opposition and for PEER REVIEW! The very definition of "Peer review" REQUIRES that ALL sides of the argument be considered and the argument of those AGW supporters is that there is total consensus! AGW supporters claim that anyone who disagrees is simply in denial and their "opinions" are not worthy of consideration! There can be NO Peer Review under these conditions! These E-mails are simply the tip of the scientific iceberg in a system that is dead set to FORCE the lunacy of AGW on all of us!
The Millions of us who disagree would WELCOME a neutral and unbiased "peer review" of ALL the facts and ALL of the data this would expose the AGW left as political hacks, activists and tainted scientists with their own financial gain as their goal.
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# Mike 2010-04-27 01:00
Go Ed!!!! Tell that Brit to shut his mouth! You conservatives fought anti smoking, seatbelts, catalitic converters. When are you going to realize you are WRONG. Don't worry, you'll survive without your incandecent lightbulbs you British baby.
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